Deb Hinksman: one voice at the table

Deb Hinksman: one voice at the table

If we were to glance around the table of the new Denominational Executive appointed at the 43rd General Council of the United Church of Canada, we would note, perhaps, the diversity that was there. With intention, this executive draws from people who bring different backgrounds and complexity in ethnicity, ministry in the church (paid accountability, ordered and lay, years of service and participation), professional and life experience, physical ability, language of origin or common use, region of the country and age.

The 18 member Executive is made up of 15 people who bring “competencies in theology, governance, finance, and vision” and “reflect the diversity of an intercultural church, lay/ministry personnel and geography”, plus the moderator, past moderator and general secretary. A particular distinction of this Executive is that members “serve on behalf of the whole of the church, rather than as representatives from any one part of it.” So, although they may carry these various distinctions and the perspectives that come with that, they don’t represent constituencies.

Deb Hinksman is one of the people at the table. She is a diaconal minister with over 30 years in ministry. “When I looked around the room, just as I can see [each person] mentally sitting where they were,” she said, “we as a group are very United Nations in terms of diversity of ethnicity and experience. We are quite an eclectic group. It’s really fascinating.

Back row, left to right: Kathy Brett, Jane McDonald, Jordan Cantwell (past Moderator), Paul Douglas Walfall, Arlyce Schiebout, Samuel Dansokho, Janet Sigurdson, Katie Curtis, Ha Na Park, Larry Doyle, Mitchell Anderson. Front row, left to right: Sharon Aylsworth, Deborah Richards, Teresa Burnett-Cole, Deb Hinksman, Richard Bott (Moderator), Tim Reaburn, Nora Sanders (General Secretary). Photo: The United Church of Canada

“I am the old white woman there. I am that 63 year old white woman that is not UCW. I am a very definite demographic in that room. I don’t see that as a bad thing. I just notice that here I am at the end of my ministry doing the same thing that I was doing at the beginning of my ministry plus 37 years. It’s interesting.

“When my younger self was looking at that older 63 year old person, I assumed they were so old and so out of it. What could they bring to the table at that age? To be honest, when I look at my congregation and other congregations, I see people my age or older. Do we just dismiss that? Do they have anything to say to the contemporary condition and situation of the United Church? And I think ‘actually I do.’ I’m not as obtuse as my younger self might have thought. I’m aware that my age and experience brings something more to the table than a younger version of myself might have thought. We at 63 get very reflective. (laughs)”

Between now and then Deb has had a breadth of experience in the United Church, from a child growing up in the church, to an active youth, to minister and participant on many, many committees. She recalls being a part of the United Church’s 50th Anniversary Youth Exchange in 1975. Upon returning, the youth delegates were to be prepared to go around to various churches and groups in local presbyteries to share their experiences and provide a slide show. “After one such event in which I preached at a local church one Sunday morning,” she said, “I had several people come up to me and say I would make a good minister. On the outside I thanked them for the kind words. On the inside I was totally beside myself with laughter.”

However, as other options “seemed to yield a closed window,” she wondered if she was supposed to consider ministry after all. Shortly after that, she found herself a candidate for ministry. For ordination.

“That’s all I knew about at the time,” she recalled. “Until I met Marion Niven. We met at a conference and she began talking with me and asking what I was going to do after school. I was sharing with her the type of ministry I saw myself in: working with people (children, family, youth work) programming and education, learning… and I remember her smiling at me and saying “I think you might find a better fit for what you hope to do at The Centre for Christian Studies.” Marion was then the principal of CCS.

“I think you might find a better fit for what you hope to do at The Centre for Christian Studies.” Marion Niven

Click here to read about Deb’s experience as a student at the Centre for Christian Studies in the 1970s.

That sentence changed Deb’s life. Terms were evolving at that time from deaconess, certified church man, commissioned minister to diaconal minister. Deb was commissioned in 1980. It was a time of great change, on the eve of the issue of pay parity and whether Commissioned Ministers should be subject to settlement which they had not previously been.

1979 Core group

1979 Core group
back row-Alyson Huntley, Anne Marie Allen, Helene Castelle, Anne Burnham, Joan Robertson, Deb Hinksman, Ray McGinnis
front: John Patterson, Nancy Stevenson, Lori Crocker, Anne Gilbert (Morrow), Iris Ward

Moving from being a student for Ordination to being a student for Commissioning back in the mid 70’s was not an easy transition. The sense of Ordination being the ministry – and Commissioning being a helpful things but not really “ministry” was well entrenched. Deb was strongly encouraged not to change streams. It was when she said “but this is where I feel my calling. Are you saying that I should not pay attention to my calling?” – that Hamilton Conference approved the change. However in their letter they said, ‘We would encourage Debra that she not sell herself short and feel that she will need ordination at some time in order to fullfil her ministry.”

“I never have,” she said. “I’ve never felt I can’t fulfill my call. It still makes me chuckle, 38 years later.

“I became a commissioned minister in the exact year that we gained parity. I was the last class that had a choice in whether we wanted to accept settlement or find our own place. Back in ’79 I chose to find my own position only because the chair of the presbytery knew of a place in Ottawa that was looking for someone.”

When reflecting on what she brought to the executive table, Deb noted her diaconal background, love of process and moving through things well and with flow. “Being a diaconal person means that with intentionality I try to look at the bigger picture. With intentionality I try to look at the process of how we’re doing things and who is included and is not included.

“One of the things I talked about a lot at Executive that came from my diaconal background was what do people need from us as the Executive? What does the United Church need from the executive in this time of its transition? [Is it] up front leaders? People that encourage? A group that gives resources? If it’s true that we want to do things differently, if we want to be different, what do we need to be as the Executive for the United Church, for its people?

“My perspective of bringing joy and lightness is probably important. I think it’s going to be fun to be part of executive.

“When we sat with the Moderator, he shared some of his hopes coming out of the question ‘What does it mean to be a Christian and be a follower of Jesus in the 21st Century? A subtext to that is the caretakers’ call to the church for what we need to do if we’re really going to have Truth and Reconciliation and If we’re really going to deal with the “isms” of society and in our church, in particularly racism and ableism.

“Those of us who are in the loop, when we talk about colonialism and racism, I am acutely aware that the average person in my church won’t have a clue what it means. ‘What do you mean I’m colonial?’

“My diaconal self is saying, ‘What is the process that we use to bring that kind of conversation to the average person in the pew?’ There’s that combination of how do we help them in understanding the why and how do we acknowldge just where they are? Can we accept them as where they are? With my diaconal background I hope I can help us bridge that.

“This is like 1925 all over again. We get the opportunity to decide how the United Church is going to be. It’s exciting and fearful.” Deb Hinksman

“At some level it is my job to teach about whiteness. I think that one of the things about being that older white woman is that I get it. I think that I can be helpful in speaking to that, as to why we need to pay attention to it. I’ve been much more aware of my own racism. Even things like noticing that I will ask the Indian-looking cabbie ‘where are you from?’ but not caucsian ones.

“It’s a fascinating time to be church right now! Man! So, what I think about the executive and their passion for moving forward, if we really believe that the gospel is about transformation, how do we help the transformation of the average person in the pew? It will be up to the regions to do that work. It won’t be up to the executive to do that work.

“One of the things that I can be helpful with is asking questions that help us unpackage what’s at the heart of something.

“I have a number of colleagues who are at or close to retirement who say, ‘at your age and stage of your ministry, why would you even want to tackle something like this?’ And I think, ‘Why not? This is so exciting. Why would you not want to be part of this?’

“This is like 1925 all over again. We get the opportunity to decide how the United Church is going to be. Falling on us as Executive elect is how we’re going to be as a church. It’s exciting and fearful.”

Deb is currently in ministry at Delhi United Church in Ontario. She graduated from the Centre for Christian Studies in 1979.



*The gender neutral term Diaconal Minister was chosen in the 1980s to replace Deaconess and Certified Churchman (what the men were called starting in the 1960s.)


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